tarptent aeon li vs zpacks
With DCF, you would simply use a narrower tape, like 1/4″-3/8″ wide in three layers in the seam itself with a wider 3/4″ to 1″ single sided tape over that, just to make sure there are no leaks. I remember this guy darwinonthetrail talking on youtube about how he cannot really say anything about his new rainjacket coz it just wouldn't rain for the last 500 miles of his CDT trip. Glue & Stitch is a fairly standard technique. Anything I am missing in the comparison? Only the glue between them is different, preventing the join from unrolling. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. AEON LI IS SOLD. [WTS] Zpacks Plexamid (14.64 oz) & Tarptent Aeon Li (17.46 oz) WTS • Posted by 4 hours ago. ” On my TT Moment, I haven’t found the magic formula to get them just right on the first, second, or even third try’. Then only if you have to, shift the poles, and only go back around to the other side if there might be some flapping in the wind. Ahh here it is. Always very picky with camp site selection. My basic concept of a tent is: it’s a ventilated rain cover and wind break, with a bug screen. So what method will the DCF X-mid use ;). It’s not a design for extreme conditions anyway, and the cases of failure that I’ve come across on the web haven’t involved the seams. But this was being tested to destruction. While sleeping, reading, hanging out, and comfortably sitting up inside the Tarptent Aeon Li, our testers couldn't help but wonder why they would ever go backpacking with a bivy sack again.At a scant .98 pounds, the Aeon weighs less than your average waterproof, bugproof bivy sack and gives you plenty of headroom, as well as a a generously sized vestibule for your stuff. So it’s a lot more complex and heavier that what I’ve drawn, but I don’t think it would function as well. I studied the ridge line seam in particular, and never could quite be certain how it was put together. Like this: I don’t think the additional “top” layer is really required for waterproofness, because stitching through the glue will pretty much seal the actual sewn seams. So in the diagram above the outer tape will peel apart until you are left with the stronger bit of tape in the center. Tarptent Aeon Li. Tents have to be well ventilated or they’ll just condense breath inside. What happens is that as you pull on the seam it twists (and this would be particularly pronounced here because the seam is to thick) so it would start to peel the outer layers of tape (middle diagram) and if that was all there was to the seam, these would peel apart until you are left with only the middle bit of tape that is in “sheer” so it won’t peel: The Aeon Li is another Dyneema tent that is lighter than the Dirigo 2 but doesn’t have as much floor space. Home › Forums › Gear Forums › Gear (General) › Tarptent StratoSpire Li vs Zpacks Duplex. The two lines of stitches through the glue will distribute any load away from the glue, and, pick up more fibers in the DCF than a single stitch. J-door vs half-moon inner door. The dcf doesn’t fray (very much) because of the laminate, similar to the sil coating limiting the fray on sil-nylon. I think this is because it's posted by 'Wild West Pacific Coast Trail'. It fits one person, large or small, with ample sleeping space, while preserving a narrow footprint thanks to its innovative strut system. Standard stuff while sewing. In practice, not a big deal, unless you need to pack your tent into an unusual space. Be sure to read through the Overview text. Just a thought…. That would hold, but ugly to have a seam do this. Adding tape on the outside seals the stitching and also improves the strength a lot if the tape overlaps the panels (like the blue line above) so it’s pretty good but not as strong as having the tape right in the seam (red tape) where there is more contact area with the bonding. Phone: 650-587-1548 530-362-8763 Trekking pole tip up vs handle up. To make up for that, it has two unique foldable corners called PitchLoc. Is this clear? The Aeon Li does not come with DCF tape. My writing is terrible sometimes…. The Duplex is a similar design to the DCF SMD Refuge X that preceded it, and Zpacks was just sewing DCF with regular sewing techniques for the longest time. – SS Li has nice water resistant zips, Duplex has clips which many folks report being hard to use So how do the edges of the DCF not fray if it’s just a simply overlap like that? Stratospire option for “solid” (1/3 mesh) inner tent for better wind and snowdrift protection. Home › Forums › Gear Forums › Gear (General) › Tarptent StratoSpire Li vs Zpacks Duplex. I studied the ridge line seam in particular, and never could quite be certain how it was put together. In common with most American tent vids, you don't generally get to see the (outer) doors closed. Any one know what seam construction MLD uses, or is it a proprietary secret?”. Of course, cleaning the needle with a alcohol or acetone rag will be required periodically. Hey does that aeon li come with the sack for the tent and stakes? Locus Gear’s bonding is highly regarded. I don’t know enough to speak about the benefits of a double wall. Both are just slightly too small for me (I'm 6' 2" 250lbs). It’s pretty common to stitch the bottom hem and I think this is a good idea because it is measurably lighter and you don’t need a bonded seam here. And with the tip down, your pole is solidly, Duplex optional pole set for free-standing setup. I have looked closely and cannot discern whether they use tape or a liquid adhesive. The Tarptent Aeon Li is a single-layer three-season tent with bug-netting, tons of headroom, and a spacious vestibule - all weighing in under a pound! The first proto will hopefully be ready in a month or so and it’ll use a combo of methods – some seams how I want them (basically that last diagram) and other seams how they think is best. – SS Li likely has better construction quality I haven’t come across this on the website. The Tarptent Notch Li, the ZPacks Soloplex, and the Gossamer Gear The One. Tape loses a lot of performance such that sudden failure can happen in cold temps. Even if it doesn’t there was a good thread here on BPL where folks (Lawson Kline mostly) showed that the available adhesives are problematic in temperature extremes. But you also want to hide the raw edges of the DCF so they don’t fray, so then you’re left with something like the last diagram. Personally I’d take the SS Li. It’s much stronger than stitching but tape can slip/creep in really hot or cold conditions. FOX160, Feb 19, 2019 #1. gixer Thru Hiker. I seem to remember an ancient thread that came to the conclusion that the simple bonding solution shown above in matthew k’s post was as strong as anything else so why make things more complicated and heavier. The set-up video looks a bit busy. That’s some tent! Dan, yes. Don't think I'll be buying either of those somehow. Both are just slightly too small for me (I'm 6' 2" 250lbs). My Big Agnes is all screen on top under the rainfly, so that’s no double wall at all. Now it’s bomber and leakproof. Subscribe here. 12213 Koswyn Ct. Nevada City, CA 95959 USA. I can throw in a groundhog mini to supplement, More posts from the ULgeartrade community. let me know if that does not do it for you. I much prefer double wall tents for the additional condensation protection and modular capabilities. Tarptent StratoSpire Li vs Zpacks Duplex. Stratospire PitchLoc corners are a bit fiddly to set up correctly, beyond just adjusting line tension. The only thing it could do would be subject to peel forces, so but it’s an inefficient use of tape. It might be interesting to have an American thru-hiker come to Scotland with his/her setup. Their methods are good enough, but not anything special. With ,.51oz cuben, the seams are probably the strongest part, anyway. You must be logged in to reply to this topic. So then you add more tape on the outside like the 3rd diagram. I think there is an issue with that seam design, which is that a lot of the tape is designed in peel. A Basic, Premium, or Unlimited Membership is required to post in the forums. This gives a really strong seam because the force is distributed so widely. “Hi Dan, where did this information come from?” The SOJ will hold up even under a LOT of abrasion, which is what you want. So ultimately the seam is very strong because of the tape in sheer in the middle, but this load isn’t transferred to here until several other components have failed. From what I have read, it is generally considered as bomber as any DCF shelter out there, and MLD has claimed to have not received any reports of failure in the field. Whereas if you start by stitching, you get a mediocre seam strength because the stress is concentrated on the stitches and DCF has poor puncture resistance so the stitch holes grow. The actual mechanics of glue creep and “Strength Of the Joint” (SOJ) seem to indicate a combination joint. That top piece of tape is going to prevent the peeling on one side (the bottom as you’ve drawn it) because it takes the load, but then the bottom tape isn’t really doing anything. Close • Posted by 1 hour ago [WTS] Zpacks Plexamid (14.64 oz) & Tarptent Aeon Li (17.46 oz) Sell. They’re fine. Factory is going to be the same one that’s making the Big Agnes DCF tents because they have more experience with DCF. Both tents are bomber, and I love them dearly, but I need something larger. I have started a thread with a short video clip to show how I set up those Pitchloc corners. I think Zpacks does a normal rolled (flat felled) seam and then slaps tape on the outside, but it’s been a while since I really looked at one. Any one know what seam construction MLD uses, or is it a proprietary secret? The Plexamid currently has a 2 week lead time, and the Aeon Li is currently out of stock. A few more Stratospire vs Duplex features: “Whereas TarpTent is actually bonding the seams and then sewing afterwards to make sure the bonding doesn’t slip.”. Both tents have only been used for 3 nights, and were both bought new earlier this year. Or perhaps there are better adhesives that the UL community isn’t familiar with. As always, I prefer durability/ruggedness over extreme light weight. From what I have read, it is generally considered as bomber as any DCF shelter out there, and MLD has claimed to have not received any reports of failure in the field. The BPL review of the Notch Li says: “The Tarptent Notch Li applies a bonded-then-sewn approach to adjoining DCF seams”. If that single line of stitching fails then the seam peels to unravel back to the middle piece of tape. The Plexamid needs the apex guyline to stand up, the Aeon doesn't. A community for members of r/ultralight who are looking to buy, sell, or trade ultralight backpacking gear. The Plexamid currently has a 2 week lead time, and the Aeon Li is currently out of stock. If so, this would be bomber production – and very time consuming manufacturing. Struts vs no struts. I prefer J-doors because the mesh doesn’t fall on the floor to get caught, tangled, or damaged; and I can flop in faster than most of the mosquitos. 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